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Id call both of them pseudo-Cover 3. If you compare how offensive schemes don't really hurt a recruits ability to make it to the NFL, why should a defensive scheme hurt us too? Whip starts back and creeps up or vice versa. That left situations where Motu was one on one with a big athletic TE going down the seam. Coles scored on that long TD. The helmets they're wearing are still my favorite VT helmets. In other words, without changing the base personnel, it was a scheme that could adjust play to play from a run stopping 8-in-the-box set to a strong pass stopping set with five defensive backs (Whip, Rover, Field Corner, Boundary Corner, Free Safety). Playing in a college system that emphasizes skillset diversity is actually a good thing. The Whip responsibilities seem to change as much as the skillsets of the players in the position. Hokie defensive linemen are required to have a unique ability to sometimes cover gaps that are far from where they line up, while maintaining leverage in order to prevent being knocked backwards by an offensive lineman. The Whip slides over in a defensive back alignment over the inside receiver. It kicks off by detailing the inner workings of the Bud Foster Gap Defense that has baffled most of the ACC over the last 8 years. Yeah Hosley getting knocked out screwed the rest of the defense off. I think they use the same DE rotation as last year, with Wilson and McCray playing every 4th series and Marshall getting some snaps at tackle and end. The Hokies used a base 8-man front the majority of the time. That was generally the wide side of the field as well, so the Backer or Rover had to cover a faster, quicker player out in open space. When things went well, a Hokie game featured numerous sacks, tackles for losses, interceptions, and the band wearing out the theme from Empire Strikes Back. Rover always goes to the side of the passing strength (not necessarily the TE side) or the Field side, and WHIP always aligns opposite the Rover. On this play against UVA, the Hokies are playing a base front. If you play C2R, and the opposition sends the outside WRs deep, the CB must go with him, which takes away the deep help for everyone on one side of the defense, so that it basically ends up M2M. I love it anyway! View All Discussions French on the Bench , "David doesn't even fart. If those guys don't need much safety help, then the corners can take chances, bait QB's and mix in robber coverages to get turnovers. 3) I think it does hurt recruiting elite out of state prospects. MAN. http://www.orangeandwhite.com/news/2012/jan/21/swinney-hired-venables-br OT: "The Mandalorian" S3 discussion thread (feat. I saw that and knew we were in trouble. In an 8-man front, the Rover will rotate up closer to the line of scrimmage and align as the fourth linebacker. First, how do they maintain the aggressive variability of the Wide Tackle Six, but second, he wanted to stop the growing use of one back multiple receiver offenses from the West Coast to the Spread. Shop fresh Hokies gear at TKP sponsor Homefield. Odds & lines subject to change. 8 Ohio State with schemes used by Defensive Coordinator Bud Foster,. I had to go back and read about the defense given how I did not understand all the roles. Prior to 2004, the Hokies were primarily an 8-man front defense and everything worked off of that. Hopkins was hurt slanting if I remember correctly. k_~k=: .qNgR\T0A$wcfXoMe#:!v2W}\;Kfva%VSc~s{A?dtpq)
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a !1AQa"q2B#$Rb34rC%Scs5&DTdEt6UeuF'Vfv7GWgw(8HXhx )9IYiy I would argue we had bad match-ups of speed vs. speed. In the above play, Jayron Hosley backpedals to his deep third at the snap. Exactly like Clemson this year. In th defense now, the free safety and the whip are essentially interchangable. Ultimately, we will see Maddy and Derek Hopkins starting, with Marshall coming in for Maddy on most passing downs. That's probably the reason we lost Korren Kirven. He doesn't believe in double-talking players, or as he continually referred to as "fork tonguing" them. Where and how they play, and personnel types preferred, are highly scheme dependent. Guys like Acree don't fit, and I do not think for a second that the "four defensive end" alignment that we heard about in the spring will be used at any time other than on passing down and distance plays.Guys like Zach McCray and JR Collins, while big enough to play DT in a pinch, are too long to really be effective on those interior stunts (that is one of the reasons that Nick Acree was never a favorite of Charley Wiles.). Ive said it before but Im super serious this timethis is a must win game for Clemsons NCAA tournament resume. How do those pieces fit together and how do they work collectively to form one of college footballs best defenses? 5yltM;6#D"A.+|F'g"##PBG
Wi+5~ljx3!_YJ8a7p;[Bx$60FF8x\f@-. Body positioning, angle of alignment, depth of alignment, how to come off the snap (use of hands, proper footwork, etc), reading each individual key, reacting properly to those keys, proper pursuit angle, tackling technique.that is just a short list of things that the players must focus on correctly as a unit for the defense to be successful on any given play. Lets go through the sequence that takes place in the 20-30 seconds between the end of one play and the next snap. Each defender essentially has the gap in front of him. The "G" front is the base front, but here I have not adjusted to the formation. The stud end is outside eye of the tackle strong side, and the end is outside eye of the tackle on the weakside. VT shifts their G front to the Field side as well into a 4-3, whether its weak or strong, which gives them 3 fronts in the base package. If the running back looks to go straight ahead, he will see the guard and tackle jammed up and look to cutback.
a !1AQa"q2B#$Rb34rC%Scs5&DTdEt6UeuF'Vfv7GWgw(8HXhx )9IYiy How did you think TCU was able to defeat teams like Wisconsin with their 4-2-5? We play three different packages: G, T u f f and FD/ST-G. Our G package is our base defense. As the coaches like to say, it is important that their minds do not tie up their feet. That gets us to the pre-snap look for second down. It was a very clever scheme because it could be adjusted to a pass oriented defense by slipping the two outside linebackers (the Whip and Rover) into coverage as defensive backs. Cover 4 is technically a zone defense, but plays like M2M and often ends up looking just like the normal Cover 2 youre used to visualizing. I think the weakness that was exposed by Clemson is that if a team can set up play action by running the ball effectively, the whip and the safeties have to cover their gap fill responsibility before reacting to a pass route. I think I understand the step 45 because I believe I saw an example of that when Urban Meyer was analyzing our DL a few years back. BTW, I dont think I've ever seen a gif used as a legit educational tool and not just an lol. The S must loop hard play-side, crossing the face of the tight end without allowing himself to get his outside shoulder blocked by the tight end. Damn shame if you ask me. There are a number of factors that the coaches consider when setting the defense from play to play. Gap fit means when the defensive player hits the assigned gap, he must hold that gap maintaining the proper leverage in order to get off a block and make a tackle. The adjustment from one set to the other depends on the alignment of the Rover. Virginia Tech uses both their base look (which features each lineman and linebacker having gap responsibility for the gap in front of them) or a more radical stunting approach based on the talent Foster has available. View All Discussions French on the Bench , "Does it get any better than Thursday Night in Blacksburg?" The running back is supposed to take two strides playside, plant his playside leg (in this case the right leg) and select a weak spot where the defender has overrun the play. Based on what you said, don't the DL's all "tie" up the lines in both Bud scheme and the traditional pro-scheme? Every defensive player in the front seven has a "gap" responsibility in every defense that is called. . Other teams began to use a lot of quick passes and/or maximum protection blocking schemes to counter Techs blitz tendencies. The Backer and Rover were strong side players, so they would usually align to the strong side of the formation. I think we played less aggressive which led to Clemson eventually winning. Hell Charley Wiles even stated that one thing he was challenging Antoine Hopkins on last August was making plays out of his alignment, i.e. Depending on the formation, Rover can pick up the #1 receiver short and the FS comes down on the slot, with the CB still in deep half-field coverage behind.Whip aligns himself several ways, so you need a good football player here. He had to use less of the C2R and more Cover 4. Instead of slanting as much (because his DL had a tendency to lose gap control and his backer couldn't figure out how to be in the correct place), Bud reverted back to shooting gaps. His initial alignment is quite often in the box, but he doesnt get up on the LOS as much as the WHIP. Because its a 4-4 defense that has to be able to handle the spread offense at times, it needs some rather special players at some of the hybrid LB spots. TKP, where you get the analysis and the analysis of the analysis by the original analyst, "Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." (Dave Knachel/Virginia Tech athletics) Article It's a season of transition. Upvoted. He was on a roll at the start of last season and his recovery is going really well. Stud End (Tyrell Wilson): Pre-Snap, the S end lines up outside eye of the boundary side tackle. His recruiting dropped off when it became apparent that players could be great in that system, but the fundamentals they acquire do not translate to the NFL. Unlike the old 4-4, I think Foster and Gray want the free and rover to essentially be interchangable with the only exception being that the free makes the defensive secondary calls and audibles. Thoughts? Some of the biggies are game situation, down and distance, ball position, and offensive personnel. The Hokies switch between man and cover 3. The alignment is a disguise, as he has no pass coverage responsibility. The architect of Tech's famed Lunch Pail Defense, Foster was the longest continually tenured FBS assistant coach at the same school at the time of his retirement in 2019. Whip: The Whip (Kyle Fuller) lines up wide, but well to the inside of the slot. A 46 is by definition a "Bear" front, but to use "Bear" does not necessarily mean a 46 defense. "My advice to you is to start drinking heavily. The offense uses those techniques to get a better read on what the defense may be doing. Eventually, the kids who see the NFL in their future realize that going to such a school hurts their chances. After that Boyd was able to find quick check downs due to loose coverage. Ideally, the Stud end will be 2 yards deep into the backfield. Wiley, Brown, Russell, Drakeford, Gray, Banks, Prioleau, Charleton, Midget, Bird, McCadam, Pile, Hall, Green, Fuller, Williams, Hamilton, Rouse, Flowers, Harris, Chancellor, Carmichael, Hosley, Fuller, Exum, Jarrett. This morning, I actually stumbled across a presentation that Bud Foster made to the AFCA back in 1999. The end result of this 1st quarter play against UVA features Tyrell Wilson preventing the back from getting to the edge, the nose and tackle slant and fill their gaps, and Jack Tyler flies in on the blitz to make the play. Because of the gap fit responsibility, a tremendous amount of pressure exists for the whip and the safeties to be sure tacklers anytime the ball carrier penetrates the line. The whistle blows, the players un-pile and the cycle starts again. As mentioned earlier, that led to man-to-man match-ups of a linebacker or Rover against that third and fourth wide receiver. The 4-2-5 Defense Study (Softcover: 145 pages) . Does the defensive scheme lend itself to this or did we have weaknesses in key positions? The "Nose" and "Tackle" are the two defensive tackles in Bud Foster's defense and are generally interchangeable, meaning that on any given play, either defensive tackle can be the "Nose" or the "Tackle". Alamance County, Nc Zoning Map,
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Id call both of them pseudo-Cover 3. If you compare how offensive schemes don't really hurt a recruits ability to make it to the NFL, why should a defensive scheme hurt us too? Whip starts back and creeps up or vice versa. That left situations where Motu was one on one with a big athletic TE going down the seam. Coles scored on that long TD. The helmets they're wearing are still my favorite VT helmets. In other words, without changing the base personnel, it was a scheme that could adjust play to play from a run stopping 8-in-the-box set to a strong pass stopping set with five defensive backs (Whip, Rover, Field Corner, Boundary Corner, Free Safety). Playing in a college system that emphasizes skillset diversity is actually a good thing. The Whip responsibilities seem to change as much as the skillsets of the players in the position. Hokie defensive linemen are required to have a unique ability to sometimes cover gaps that are far from where they line up, while maintaining leverage in order to prevent being knocked backwards by an offensive lineman. The Whip slides over in a defensive back alignment over the inside receiver. It kicks off by detailing the inner workings of the Bud Foster Gap Defense that has baffled most of the ACC over the last 8 years. Yeah Hosley getting knocked out screwed the rest of the defense off. I think they use the same DE rotation as last year, with Wilson and McCray playing every 4th series and Marshall getting some snaps at tackle and end. The Hokies used a base 8-man front the majority of the time. That was generally the wide side of the field as well, so the Backer or Rover had to cover a faster, quicker player out in open space. When things went well, a Hokie game featured numerous sacks, tackles for losses, interceptions, and the band wearing out the theme from Empire Strikes Back. Rover always goes to the side of the passing strength (not necessarily the TE side) or the Field side, and WHIP always aligns opposite the Rover. On this play against UVA, the Hokies are playing a base front. If you play C2R, and the opposition sends the outside WRs deep, the CB must go with him, which takes away the deep help for everyone on one side of the defense, so that it basically ends up M2M. I love it anyway! View All Discussions French on the Bench , "David doesn't even fart. If those guys don't need much safety help, then the corners can take chances, bait QB's and mix in robber coverages to get turnovers. 3) I think it does hurt recruiting elite out of state prospects. MAN. http://www.orangeandwhite.com/news/2012/jan/21/swinney-hired-venables-br OT: "The Mandalorian" S3 discussion thread (feat. I saw that and knew we were in trouble. In an 8-man front, the Rover will rotate up closer to the line of scrimmage and align as the fourth linebacker. First, how do they maintain the aggressive variability of the Wide Tackle Six, but second, he wanted to stop the growing use of one back multiple receiver offenses from the West Coast to the Spread. Shop fresh Hokies gear at TKP sponsor Homefield. Odds & lines subject to change. 8 Ohio State with schemes used by Defensive Coordinator Bud Foster,. I had to go back and read about the defense given how I did not understand all the roles. Prior to 2004, the Hokies were primarily an 8-man front defense and everything worked off of that. Hopkins was hurt slanting if I remember correctly. k_~k=: .qNgR\T0A$wcfXoMe#:!v2W}\;Kfva%VSc~s{A?dtpq) g~u+c\8h{ ]KKCz/H-\XH/c&4]#T{*]k0:}M &i$kj? [=?_. This 4-3, 2-high safety base set gets the defense in a much better pre-snap position to defend offenses that like to use a lot of spread or 3-4 wide formations. a !1AQa"q2B#$Rb34rC%Scs5&DTdEt6UeuF'Vfv7GWgw(8HXhx )9IYiy I would argue we had bad match-ups of speed vs. speed. In the above play, Jayron Hosley backpedals to his deep third at the snap. Exactly like Clemson this year. In th defense now, the free safety and the whip are essentially interchangable. Ultimately, we will see Maddy and Derek Hopkins starting, with Marshall coming in for Maddy on most passing downs. That's probably the reason we lost Korren Kirven. He doesn't believe in double-talking players, or as he continually referred to as "fork tonguing" them. Where and how they play, and personnel types preferred, are highly scheme dependent. Guys like Acree don't fit, and I do not think for a second that the "four defensive end" alignment that we heard about in the spring will be used at any time other than on passing down and distance plays.Guys like Zach McCray and JR Collins, while big enough to play DT in a pinch, are too long to really be effective on those interior stunts (that is one of the reasons that Nick Acree was never a favorite of Charley Wiles.). Ive said it before but Im super serious this timethis is a must win game for Clemsons NCAA tournament resume. How do those pieces fit together and how do they work collectively to form one of college footballs best defenses? 5yltM;6#D"A.+|F'g"##PBG Wi+5~ljx3!_YJ8a7p;[Bx$60FF8x\f@-. Body positioning, angle of alignment, depth of alignment, how to come off the snap (use of hands, proper footwork, etc), reading each individual key, reacting properly to those keys, proper pursuit angle, tackling technique.that is just a short list of things that the players must focus on correctly as a unit for the defense to be successful on any given play. Lets go through the sequence that takes place in the 20-30 seconds between the end of one play and the next snap. Each defender essentially has the gap in front of him. The "G" front is the base front, but here I have not adjusted to the formation. The stud end is outside eye of the tackle strong side, and the end is outside eye of the tackle on the weakside. VT shifts their G front to the Field side as well into a 4-3, whether its weak or strong, which gives them 3 fronts in the base package. If the running back looks to go straight ahead, he will see the guard and tackle jammed up and look to cutback. a !1AQa"q2B#$Rb34rC%Scs5&DTdEt6UeuF'Vfv7GWgw(8HXhx )9IYiy How did you think TCU was able to defeat teams like Wisconsin with their 4-2-5? We play three different packages: G, T u f f and FD/ST-G. Our G package is our base defense. As the coaches like to say, it is important that their minds do not tie up their feet. That gets us to the pre-snap look for second down. It was a very clever scheme because it could be adjusted to a pass oriented defense by slipping the two outside linebackers (the Whip and Rover) into coverage as defensive backs. Cover 4 is technically a zone defense, but plays like M2M and often ends up looking just like the normal Cover 2 youre used to visualizing. I think the weakness that was exposed by Clemson is that if a team can set up play action by running the ball effectively, the whip and the safeties have to cover their gap fill responsibility before reacting to a pass route. I think I understand the step 45 because I believe I saw an example of that when Urban Meyer was analyzing our DL a few years back. BTW, I dont think I've ever seen a gif used as a legit educational tool and not just an lol. The S must loop hard play-side, crossing the face of the tight end without allowing himself to get his outside shoulder blocked by the tight end. Damn shame if you ask me. There are a number of factors that the coaches consider when setting the defense from play to play. Gap fit means when the defensive player hits the assigned gap, he must hold that gap maintaining the proper leverage in order to get off a block and make a tackle. The adjustment from one set to the other depends on the alignment of the Rover. Virginia Tech uses both their base look (which features each lineman and linebacker having gap responsibility for the gap in front of them) or a more radical stunting approach based on the talent Foster has available. View All Discussions French on the Bench , "Does it get any better than Thursday Night in Blacksburg?" The running back is supposed to take two strides playside, plant his playside leg (in this case the right leg) and select a weak spot where the defender has overrun the play. Based on what you said, don't the DL's all "tie" up the lines in both Bud scheme and the traditional pro-scheme? Every defensive player in the front seven has a "gap" responsibility in every defense that is called. . Other teams began to use a lot of quick passes and/or maximum protection blocking schemes to counter Techs blitz tendencies. The Backer and Rover were strong side players, so they would usually align to the strong side of the formation. I think we played less aggressive which led to Clemson eventually winning. Hell Charley Wiles even stated that one thing he was challenging Antoine Hopkins on last August was making plays out of his alignment, i.e. Depending on the formation, Rover can pick up the #1 receiver short and the FS comes down on the slot, with the CB still in deep half-field coverage behind.Whip aligns himself several ways, so you need a good football player here. He had to use less of the C2R and more Cover 4. Instead of slanting as much (because his DL had a tendency to lose gap control and his backer couldn't figure out how to be in the correct place), Bud reverted back to shooting gaps. His initial alignment is quite often in the box, but he doesnt get up on the LOS as much as the WHIP. Because its a 4-4 defense that has to be able to handle the spread offense at times, it needs some rather special players at some of the hybrid LB spots. TKP, where you get the analysis and the analysis of the analysis by the original analyst, "Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." (Dave Knachel/Virginia Tech athletics) Article It's a season of transition. Upvoted. He was on a roll at the start of last season and his recovery is going really well. Stud End (Tyrell Wilson): Pre-Snap, the S end lines up outside eye of the boundary side tackle. His recruiting dropped off when it became apparent that players could be great in that system, but the fundamentals they acquire do not translate to the NFL. Unlike the old 4-4, I think Foster and Gray want the free and rover to essentially be interchangable with the only exception being that the free makes the defensive secondary calls and audibles. Thoughts? Some of the biggies are game situation, down and distance, ball position, and offensive personnel. The Hokies switch between man and cover 3. The alignment is a disguise, as he has no pass coverage responsibility. The architect of Tech's famed Lunch Pail Defense, Foster was the longest continually tenured FBS assistant coach at the same school at the time of his retirement in 2019. Whip: The Whip (Kyle Fuller) lines up wide, but well to the inside of the slot. A 46 is by definition a "Bear" front, but to use "Bear" does not necessarily mean a 46 defense. "My advice to you is to start drinking heavily. The offense uses those techniques to get a better read on what the defense may be doing. Eventually, the kids who see the NFL in their future realize that going to such a school hurts their chances. After that Boyd was able to find quick check downs due to loose coverage. Ideally, the Stud end will be 2 yards deep into the backfield. Wiley, Brown, Russell, Drakeford, Gray, Banks, Prioleau, Charleton, Midget, Bird, McCadam, Pile, Hall, Green, Fuller, Williams, Hamilton, Rouse, Flowers, Harris, Chancellor, Carmichael, Hosley, Fuller, Exum, Jarrett. This morning, I actually stumbled across a presentation that Bud Foster made to the AFCA back in 1999. The end result of this 1st quarter play against UVA features Tyrell Wilson preventing the back from getting to the edge, the nose and tackle slant and fill their gaps, and Jack Tyler flies in on the blitz to make the play. Because of the gap fit responsibility, a tremendous amount of pressure exists for the whip and the safeties to be sure tacklers anytime the ball carrier penetrates the line. The whistle blows, the players un-pile and the cycle starts again. As mentioned earlier, that led to man-to-man match-ups of a linebacker or Rover against that third and fourth wide receiver. The 4-2-5 Defense Study (Softcover: 145 pages) . Does the defensive scheme lend itself to this or did we have weaknesses in key positions? The "Nose" and "Tackle" are the two defensive tackles in Bud Foster's defense and are generally interchangeable, meaning that on any given play, either defensive tackle can be the "Nose" or the "Tackle".